tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8237846547805652402.post8171373884330833730..comments2014-02-03T14:46:43.219-05:00Comments on EP-ology by Carl V. Phillips: Unhealthful News 93 - It did not make the papers, but this is all interesting news to meCarl V Phillipshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01919902852457771666noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8237846547805652402.post-27166031066447738632011-04-14T06:55:42.374-04:002011-04-14T06:55:42.374-04:00I should have started my comment with: "Joha...I should have started my comment with: "Johathan, good point about the Swedish evidence. I am glad to see that some people understand the value of the ecological data that many others seek to ignore." I was tired (still jet-lagged! as was being too terse).Carl V Phillipshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01919902852457771666noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8237846547805652402.post-81341868021832576562011-04-13T20:08:00.314-04:002011-04-13T20:08:00.314-04:00It is really quite something that someone can make...It is really quite something that someone can make a career out of having gotten probably sexually-transmitted and almost certainly not substance-cased oral cancer. It is not so surprising that there is a living to be made lying to children.<br /><br />As for the Swedish evidence: First, there is no observed difference in risk across Western smokeless tobaccos, Swedish or American, chewed or not. Second, the ecological evidence about lung cancer is pretty clear, but for pancreatic cancer it is a bit trickier than that. Third, there is little doubt that prohibitions against smokefree alternatives to cigarettes (or even simply discouraging -- as with the oral cancer road show) kill people, from lung cancer as well as other lung diseases, other cancers, and most of all, cardiovascular disease. Also, I don't think that making a scientific claim about the consequences of someone's action would be considered actionable even in England, the black hole of Western free speech (though, in fairness, they are trying to change that).Carl V Phillipshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01919902852457771666noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8237846547805652402.post-7637797495647463622011-04-13T11:26:46.393-04:002011-04-13T11:26:46.393-04:00Anybody who believes that Swedish snus (a differen...Anybody who believes that Swedish snus (a different product to chewing tobaccos in other countries) causes cancers should look at the European cancer incidences on the CRUK website (stats section). Sweden doesn't feature highly for either oral or pancreatic cancer- those frequently attributed to snus. The incidence of male lung cancer is strikingly low, as is the male smoking prevalence. In fact, those who support bans on snus are responsible for thousands of future lung cancer deaths. Good job that's true, or I'd be sued for defamation.Jonathan Bagleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17331501151709216753noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8237846547805652402.post-42654526875447886592011-04-04T08:50:03.469-04:002011-04-04T08:50:03.469-04:00are you sure? Because right now we have Von Behren...are you sure? Because right now we have Von Behrens in Ottawa telling kids a very different story.<br /><br />http://www.yourottawaregion.com/news/article/974131--tobacco-can-ruin-your-life-cancer-survivor-tells-students<br />At age 13, Von Behrens tried chewing tobacco for the first time and quickly got addicted. By the time he was 17, he was diagnosed with oral cancer. He has lost half of his tongue, all of his teeth and his entire jawbone.<br /><br />“I have lost my entire face because of tobacco,” Van Behrens told the packed gymnasium. “Every time I look out in the mirror, I ask God, ‘Why did you do this to me, I wasn’t a bad kid.’ ”a.welchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12467661824671695692noreply@blogger.com